1 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:16,500 my name is John Callahan 2 00:00:13,619 --> 00:00:18,149 I'm a retired FAA employee I was a 3 00:00:16,500 --> 00:00:19,769 division manager for the accidents 4 00:00:18,149 --> 00:00:22,528 evaluation and Investigation Division 5 00:00:19,769 --> 00:00:24,839 and these sing about two years before I 6 00:00:22,528 --> 00:00:28,559 retired I received a call from my Alaska 7 00:00:24,839 --> 00:00:30,990 region where the region wanted to know 8 00:00:28,559 --> 00:00:32,820 what to tell the media when I questioned 9 00:00:30,989 --> 00:00:36,000 tell the media what he says about the 10 00:00:32,820 --> 00:00:39,119 UFO and it went downhill from there 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,980 what UFO had turned out I told him what 12 00:00:39,119 --> 00:00:43,199 the government of Hawaii would do at 13 00:00:40,979 --> 00:00:45,569 that time was to tell him it's under 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:48,320 investigation and then I had him send 15 00:00:45,570 --> 00:00:52,530 all that data to the FAA Tech Center in 16 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:55,170 Atlantic City the next day my immediate 17 00:00:52,530 --> 00:00:57,539 boss service director Howie Sofia and I 18 00:00:55,170 --> 00:01:00,809 went to Atlantic City I just purchased a 19 00:00:57,539 --> 00:01:05,250 year a new video camera and I videoed 20 00:01:00,808 --> 00:01:07,829 the the event and the Lake City we had 21 00:01:05,250 --> 00:01:09,450 him play back on again on a scope you 22 00:01:07,829 --> 00:01:13,739 would call a scope of plans you display 23 00:01:09,450 --> 00:01:15,990 DVD exactly what the pilot seen or what 24 00:01:13,739 --> 00:01:18,060 the control the scene and we tied that 25 00:01:15,989 --> 00:01:19,949 in with the voice a tape so we could 26 00:01:18,060 --> 00:01:22,079 hear exactly what the controller certain 27 00:01:19,950 --> 00:01:25,379 what he heard and we taped it we came 28 00:01:22,079 --> 00:01:27,390 back the next day briefed the 29 00:01:25,379 --> 00:01:28,920 administrator Admiral Lincoln on what 30 00:01:27,390 --> 00:01:30,750 happened he won the five-minute briefing 31 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,310 after we started the brief and he won 32 00:01:30,750 --> 00:01:33,868 the know if he could see the video we 33 00:01:32,310 --> 00:01:37,228 put the video on he watched the video 34 00:01:33,868 --> 00:01:40,530 the whole video the next day he set up a 35 00:01:37,228 --> 00:01:43,439 meeting for me to give a dog and pony 36 00:01:40,530 --> 00:01:45,539 show to President Reagan scientific 37 00:01:43,439 --> 00:01:48,478 staff and whoever they brought over and 38 00:01:45,539 --> 00:01:51,719 they hand off all that data to them that 39 00:01:48,478 --> 00:01:55,429 morning in the FAA round room it was 40 00:01:51,719 --> 00:01:58,799 either 9 or 10 o'clock three men from 41 00:01:55,429 --> 00:02:01,469 breaking scientific staff three CIA 42 00:01:58,799 --> 00:02:03,989 people three FBI people and I own 43 00:02:01,469 --> 00:02:06,209 the other guys were along with all the 44 00:02:03,989 --> 00:02:07,890 FAA experts that I brought with me they 45 00:02:06,209 --> 00:02:10,919 could decide or o'clock about the 46 00:02:07,890 --> 00:02:13,229 hardware and software how it worked we 47 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:15,269 put on a dog and pony show we let them 48 00:02:13,229 --> 00:02:16,919 watch the video we had all the day to 49 00:02:15,270 --> 00:02:19,830 day we have all the printouts that the 50 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:23,399 computer put out they got all excited 51 00:02:19,830 --> 00:02:25,560 over it when it was all done the CIA 52 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,870 yeah one of the CIA men told the people 53 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,949 they were now sworn to secrecy that this 54 00:02:27,870 --> 00:02:31,469 meeting never happened 55 00:02:28,949 --> 00:02:35,189 and this event never happened well I 56 00:02:31,469 --> 00:02:36,599 asked them why you know I thought it was 57 00:02:35,189 --> 00:02:38,789 probably just a stealth bomber at the 58 00:02:36,599 --> 00:02:42,389 time he says well this is the first time 59 00:02:38,789 --> 00:02:44,939 that we have recorded radar data on a 60 00:02:42,389 --> 00:02:47,250 UFO and these guys are going to get all 61 00:02:44,939 --> 00:02:49,079 excited - drooling over all this data I 62 00:02:47,250 --> 00:02:51,150 said well you're gonna tell the public 63 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,580 about it and he says no we don't tell 64 00:02:51,150 --> 00:02:55,740 the public about this it would panic the 65 00:02:53,580 --> 00:03:00,330 public he says we're gonna go back and 66 00:02:55,740 --> 00:03:02,939 study this I said okay it was what he 67 00:03:00,330 --> 00:03:05,489 was gonna do now I've told this story 68 00:03:02,939 --> 00:03:09,229 many times and I'd get sometimes funny 69 00:03:05,489 --> 00:03:12,480 much some people I have with me the 70 00:03:09,229 --> 00:03:15,479 voice tapes of the controllers that were 71 00:03:12,479 --> 00:03:17,250 involved the FAA original tapes see 72 00:03:15,479 --> 00:03:19,590 after we handed this stuff off to the 73 00:03:17,250 --> 00:03:20,759 president's staff the FAA didn't know 74 00:03:19,590 --> 00:03:23,159 what to do with that we don't separate 75 00:03:20,759 --> 00:03:25,310 UFOs from real traffic so it's not our 76 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:25,310 problem 77 00:03:25,439 --> 00:03:31,229 and I have a copy of the original of the 78 00:03:28,710 --> 00:03:35,790 video that we took which is rather 79 00:03:31,229 --> 00:03:38,549 interesting and once once the thing was 80 00:03:35,789 --> 00:03:41,189 all over the reports started coming into 81 00:03:38,550 --> 00:03:42,870 my office but because it wasn't an FAA 82 00:03:41,189 --> 00:03:46,500 air traffic problem 83 00:03:42,870 --> 00:03:49,379 the FAA report ended up on a table in my 84 00:03:46,500 --> 00:03:51,509 office and stayed there gar retired when 85 00:03:49,379 --> 00:03:54,629 one of the staffers packed up all my 86 00:03:51,509 --> 00:03:56,669 gear and helped it move to my house also 87 00:03:54,629 --> 00:04:00,659 in a box I found just a few good days 88 00:03:56,669 --> 00:04:03,780 ago and my 1992 tax return I have the 89 00:04:00,659 --> 00:04:07,530 target crowds from the computer data 90 00:04:03,780 --> 00:04:09,150 which so if you wanted to reach out look 91 00:04:07,530 --> 00:04:11,909 at every target that was up there at the 92 00:04:09,150 --> 00:04:14,099 time you can now reproduce this from 93 00:04:11,909 --> 00:04:18,480 this piece of paper here and it's called 94 00:04:14,099 --> 00:04:19,889 the UFO incident Japan 1648 I believe 95 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:24,150 the number was that happened on November 96 00:04:19,889 --> 00:04:25,919 the 18th 1986 I'm prepared to go to 97 00:04:24,149 --> 00:04:27,449 Congress the square before Congress that 98 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,640 everything I've told you people and 99 00:04:27,449 --> 00:04:31,789 everything is here is the truth thank 100 00:04:29,639 --> 00:04:31,789 you 101 00:04:36,610 --> 00:04:38,669 you